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Buying antique tools by mail can be fraught with risk, because of all of the hidden problems that tools might have. Even in person, these problems are sometimes missed, and even new tools sometimes have functionality issues. However, I donít believe that there is any type of tool that is more problematic to buy remotely than a saw. If a saw is kinked, it is really not worth picking up of the ground, and 9 out of ten saws that I see have a kink or other bend that makes them none-functional. Often, I see these same saws bought by colleagues, and then offered for sale as ďstraightĒ usable saws. I donít think that they are being dishonest, I just donít think that they do enough woodworking themselves to really know. If we say that a usable, you can be assured that it is. All of our saws will have straight, usable, blades, unless we state otherwise. Most of them will need at least a light sharpening. Rarely will they need setting. It takes a lot of sharpenings before you really need to set the saw teeth.

I believe that learning to sharpen your own saws is a basic skill that all woodworkers should possess, and we offer all of the files that you might need in our new tool department, as well as a DVD by Tom Law that explains it all very well. However, if you feel that you are not ready for this, or just donít want to bother, there are few places that will do a great job of sharpening a vintage saw. Do not, and I repeat, do not, take the saw to a local saw service. They will remove the handle and put the saw in a machine. Note that saws need to be sharpened regularly, so sending the saw out every time it gets dull is really not a practical solution. Sharpening a saw is not rocket science. Anyone can do it well with just a bit of practice and some patience.

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Henry Disston & Sons

SA140648 Henry Disston & Sons A 24", 8PPI D-8 panel saw in very clean condition. This is a somewhat later saw, probably from the 1940s. It has seen very litte use, and has probably never been filed, but it is dull now and needs filing. It needs a light cleaning but is still essentially bright. A great user saw that would cost much more if it was a bit older and in this great condition. Should clean to Fine- Sold



Saw Jointer

SA140671 Saw Jointer A typical American cast iron saw jointer, probably made by Disston but only marked Made in USA. Nicely cleaned up, it still looks uncleaned, but has some heavy pitting on one spot. A good user and an important tool for anyone wanting to sharpen saws. G+ $39




Empire State Saw Works

SA140674 Empire State Saw Works A 5 1/2 PPI, 26" rip saw, As found with a mostly clean blade that has scattered spotting. Almost sharp, you could use it as is but it should have a light filing. Just one stroke on each tooth is enough. G+ $65




Henry Disston & Sons

SA140646 Henry Disston & Sons A 26" rip saw, 5 1/2" PPI. It is still sharp but needs a light cleaning with wax. There is some surface rust up near the handle but the blade is otherwise clean with a light patina. The handle has no damage. The blade is almost perfectly straight, there is an insignficant curve near the middle. As a user, this saw will be great, and for a high end Disston, this is a gift. G+ Sold



alx mines de suede, R. Lamartine 6

SA14062 alx mines de suede, R. Lamartine 6 A particularly nice as found veneer saw. The blade is 4 1/2" across. The handle is fruitwood. Period veneer saws are not common and this is one of the nicest that I have seen. G++ $95





Henry Disston & Sons

SA140618 Henry Disston & Sons An unused D-23 Lightweight 26", 5 1/2PPI rip saw. This saw is still sharp with the original factory sharpening. The blade is bright and clean like new. Very few pre-war saws show up in this kind of condition. There ae a few very light scratches on the handle and a very minor stain on the back side, but otherwise this saw looks as good as it did the day it left Philadelphia back in the 20s. Fine $159



Jackson, Warranted, Cast Steel, USA

SA140554 Jackson, Warranted, Cast Steel, USA An 8' dovetal saw, 16PPI, in lovely as found condition. The back retains is original bluing and the blade is mostly clean but with some staining. It is hard to find saws this nice. There are quite a few floating around now with reblued backs, but this is totally factory original. The blade is ever so slightly off of perfectly straight. This doesn't matter, but if it bothers you, retensioning it would correct it. (To summarize: You hold the front of the blade in a vice and push the back to the rear slightly.) G++ $109


C. E. Jennings

SA140556 C. E. Jennings This is a top-of-the-line Disston number 12, 26", 5 1/2PPI rip saw that was made for C. E. Jennings and is marked with an etching that looks very much like the Disston 12 etching, but for Jennings being substituted for Disston. It is even still numbered 12. The handle spurs are not chiped, but both of them have been shortened, as if to fit into a tool box. The handle is marked "PS 16, BKN, RIP". I must say that the students of PS16 must have been very careful students because the saw is perfectly straight, something I don't usually see on former school saws. The blade has an even medium patina. The nib has broken off. This saw is still relatively sharp. It needs a very light touch up, but that is it and it will make a great user. I priced it well below what a Disston marked example would cost, but it is the same saw and represents great value. G+ $159


Henry DIsston & Sons

SA140514 Henry DIsston & Sons This is a 26" Disston 6 PPI rip saw. It has a clean and smooth as found blade that needs only a light cleaning with a white synthetic steel wool pad and wax. It has a light patina and the etching is clear. The handle has no damage but lots of marks from tool box storage. The blade has not been used since it was sharpened and is ready to go. When you sight down it is not perfectly straight, but its close. There is a gentle curve that is often caused by an uneven set, but it is veyr minor. This saw will be a great user as soon as you rub some wax on the blade. A real bargain for such a good Disston. G+ $99


Henry Disston & Sons

SA140522 Henry Disston & Sons A probably unused Disston 100th anniversary "Ninteen-Forty Special". Still as sharp as the day that it left the plant, this saw has a bright and shiny blade, except for one spot towards the end on the etched side, as can be clearly seen. The handle is pristine. This is a scarce saw in remarkable condition. It is a 26", 8PPI panel saw. It is also one of the last of the pre-War Disston saws. The etching, which is as clear as the day that it left the factory, features a DC-3 like aircraft and a streamlined automobile like the Lincolns that came out just before the war. A gem. Fine $295


W. Sargent, Reading W. Sargent, Reading W. Sargent, Reading

SA140543 W. Sargent, Reading A classic 8" brass-backed dovetail saw, 20PPI. This plane has a most unsual chamfering to the top and bottom of the handle that put it into a special category. The back is polished. There is a slight curve to the blade which should come out if you retension the blade. Quite usable just as it is, except that it is dull. G+ $95



Decorative Dado Saw

SA140424 Decorative Dado Saw A delicate and elegantly formed dado saw. The blade is 5 1/4" and it is 8 1/2" overall. Nicely patinated beech. Craftsman made tools vary widely in form. Some are strictly utilitarian, and some, like this one, are subtle statements of the maker's fine taste and skill. G++ $145




R. Elison, Cast Steel

SA140426 R. Elison, Cast Steel A 10", 13PPI carcass saw by an American maker of whom nothing is known. He is recorded in the Schaeffer book, but with no information. This saw has a particularly nice handle. The blade has a light patina with some light staining, but is really quite nice. Would make a fine user, when sharpened, but this is a rare American saw and should really go to a collector. G++ $195



Unmarked

SA140438 Unmarked This is a delicate 8", 15 PPI brass-backed saw. It has a lighter back and a thinner handle than a typical dovetail saw and may have been made for a child, but really seems like too fine a tool for that. It does have the owner's mark, "S.O.B." stamped in 4 places on the handle. Children's tools don't typically have owner's marks. I think that it was a tradesman's tools but I just haven't seen one like it before. Lovely as found condition. G+ $95


Disston

SA14053 Disston A D-95 5 1/2 PPI 26" rip saw. This saw needs a light cleaning and waxing, but is still sharp and could be used after being waxed. There is some staining on the blade, with a cloth pattern that matches the pouch that it had been stored in. A great user at a modest price compared to a bit earlier Disston with a fancier handle. G+ $59



Fulton

SA140416 Fulton A 10" 12PPI CC backsaw from the estate of Tom Law, and freshly sharpened by Tom. It is particularly nice clean condition, with the original finish on the handle and much of the original bluing on the back. The etching brags that it is "Hand made, hand filed, and hand set." as well as being "Extra Thin" and some other attributes. I've never seen so much detailed information in an etching before. A great chance to own a Tom Law sharpened saw in as good a condtion as old saws come. Fine- Sold


Tingle, Drabble, & Co.

SA140385 Tingle, Drabble, & Co. This is an early 19th Century saw that certainly could pass for 18tth Century in features. The blade is 12", 13PPI. It has a lovely open handle that is in remarkably good state of preservation. Some idiot has used a wire wheel on the brass back, giving it a nasty frosted surface texture. He then lacquered the back and the blade. This needs to be stripped off and the back needs to be resurfaced. The back is also pulled forward which makes it look like the blade is too short. That is easy to deal with. The back has a slight wave, but the act of push the back to rhe rear should probably cure that at the same time. I did not find reference to this exact maker, although I did find a reference to Tring, Drabble, & Sanderson. I have not seen his mark before. If you want a good early saw, this one has the potential to be superb and it would not be easy to find a better one. Good $129


Geo. H. Bishop & Co., Lawrenceburg, Ind

SA140341 Geo. H. Bishop & Co., Lawrenceburg, Ind This is a particularly nice as found 10" 15 PPI carcass saw. The applewood handle has a split that needs to be glued, but which held down the condition grading. It runs from the bottom right side into the slot for the blade. It can be glued up tight and will become invisible. The back retains some original bluing and it has a nice clear etch. I woud just clean this one with a white pad and wax and give it a light filing. This is a great saw that has never been attached with the heavy handed treatment that a lot of saws get. That is why so few have any bluing left on the backs. There also a lot of so called mint saws floating about now that have reblued backs. It is a cold blue that is used for guns and doesn't look right at all on saws, but so few correct examples remain that people don't know have a good reference point. G+ $145


Henry Disston

SA140345 Henry Disston An early Disston 28" rip saw, pre-dating the use of etching on the blade. This saw is marked Henry Disston, stamped on the blade, with the "inch worm" mark. That part of the mark is clear, the Philadelphia part is faint. It looks like it was just struck that way. Finding a good straight and clean panel saw from this early period is not common. The configuration is also unusual, being 8 PPI rip. The saw appears to have seen very little use, and perhaps it survived because it was an odd configuration. The handle has chips in the upper and lower spur and a shrinkage check right through the medialion. It is very dry in here now, this would close up considerably in the summer. The handle is beech. I think that this a #8. This is your chance to own a mid-19th Century Disston saw that is still in usable condition. It is sharp now, but not super sharp. Certainly usable as it is. G+ $289


Henry Disston & Sons

SA140377 Henry Disston & Sons A Disston #9 26" panel saw with 8PPI. The blade is straight but has some patches of light pitting. It is sharp and after waxing should be ready to use as it is. The handle has no damage, which for a saw of this period is saying something. A scarce and desirable model. G+ $179




Sculptural Stair Saw

SA140382 Sculptural Stair Saw This is far more than a saw, it is a great example of tools as art. The craftsman who made this expressed himself artistically in a way that few of us ever can. The lines of this saw are truly sublime. Sadly, the handle has been broken off and reglued, but when a tool has this degree of elegance, that really becomes secondary. It has wonderful orginal surface and patina with a relatively clean, lightly patinated, blade. Truly a piece of folk art. The wood is beech. G+ $85


Masterpiece Saw Masterpiece Saw Masterpiece Saw Masterpiece Saw Masterpiece Saw Masterpiece Saw

SA14031 Masterpiece Saw This is a wrought iron framed hack saw with an ivory handle. It is a magnificent piece, and may be a true masterpiece. A masterpiece was a piece that proved that a craftsman was ready to be a full fledged member of the guild. Hence the term, master piece. These pieces were typically of extraordinary quality ane beauty, as is this saw. The one thing that might argue against this, is that this saw is signed, in three places, with a maker's mark. I don' tthink that a masterpiece would have been signed because the craftsman would not yet have had his own mark. The mark on this saw is a circle with a teardrop hanging from it. It is nearly marked in three places, but could easily be missed as the mark is tiny. I belive that this saw is French, and 18th Century, or perhaps a bit earlier. The detail and quality of execution are of the highest order. Even the handle is subtly sculpted in a way that sets it apart from the pack. The condition is also just what you would want, with a lovely uncleaned patina overall. This saw has always been appreciated and has never been neglected in a bad environment. The top rail shows some of the striatiion lines of wrought iron and has some bending and straightening that clearly date to the original period of use. This is a true museum quality piece and I would love to see it go to a museum. G++ $4495


Kenyon Kenyon

SA140231 Kenyon This is an rare 18th Century English saw. It is an 18" backsaw that has an most unusal blade configuration. The blade curves up at the front to allow the saw to start blind holes. I can only assume that this is a modification, although it is done to a standard that makes it possible that it is in fact original The blade and back has been lightly "cleaned" with an orbital sander by a misguided collector. This is barely visible to the naked eye but obvious in the magnified photo of the mark. The handle is untouched with the classic early style rouned cheeks and just two rivets. The upper and lower spurs are both chipped, but they are largely inact and have no repairs on them. This is truly an extraordinary survivor. I don't recall ever seeing another 18" 18th Century backsaw. Usually, if an early saw does survive, it will be a small one like a dovetail saw. Good $365


Pennsylvania Saw Mfg Co

SA14022 Pennsylvania Saw Mfg Co A 12" 12PPI back saw with a maker's mark that I don't recognize. The handle certainly does not look like a Disston handle. It is a lovely applewood handle and is damage free. The blade is straight to sight down but there is a dent in the blade that would likely cause binding if it could not be smoothed out. This is more of a collector's saw anyway, but I imagine that the right person could make it usable. There is some pitting on the left side of the blade near the end but the etching is not affected and is clear. The etching indicated that this is a number 9. G+ $159


Henry Disston, Philada Henry Disston, Philada

SA140161 Henry Disston, Philada A very scarce Herny Disston 8" 16PPI dovetail saw. The blade is clean except for a few small spots of rust. It feels sharp enough to use as it is. The closed applewood handle has a chip out of the right side of the spur but is otherwise intact. The back has traces of original bluing but is mostly just lightly patinated. Disston saws made in the first 25 years of the company are not often found in good usable condition like this. G+ $198


Alex Mathieson & Son, Edinburgh and Glasgow Alex Mathieson & Son, Edinburgh and Glasgow

SA140179 Alex Mathieson & Son, Edinburgh and Glasgow This saw is rare on a few levels. It is only 16" long and filed 6 1/2PPI rip. Mathieson saws are also scarce. The saw is marked on the blade with a stamp, not an etching. It also has a Mathieson medalion. The handle is lovely. The blade has some rust on the left side just past the mark. The blade is otherwise patinated but still smooth. The not that goes behind the medallion is missing. Touchly untouched, a proper cleaning will do wonders for this saw, which belongs with a serious Mathieson collector. G+ $145


Disston Disston

SA131237 Disston A Disston Keystone K-3 Pace Maker, 5 1/2PPI, 26" rip saw. This saw may be unused. It looks like the teeth have never been filed. It does need a very light touch up, just a stroke on each tooth with a file. The blade needs cleaning with one of the green synthetic steel wool pads, that's the 000 coarsness. Always use the pads with wax on them so that they don't scratch. Once you do that, it should rate at least G++ $99


Wheatman & Smith, Russel Works, made for R. Fairclough

SA131219 Wheatman & Smith, Russel Works, made for R. Fairclough A very scarce rosewood handled dovetail saw by a scarce Sheffield maker. As found condition, with a dark patina to the back and blade, but no rust. The 9" blade is not kinked by has a slight curve to it and needs to be retensioned. 18PPI, which is very fine for an old saw. Cleary this was a real cabinetmaker's saw. The upper spur has been knocked off and glued back and pinned. This looks to me like a period repair, not something that a collector did. It is the original piece of wood put back. A special saw for the serious collector. G+ $195


Ross & Alexander, Bishopgate St. E.C.

SA131157 Ross & Alexander, Bishopgate St. E.C. A lovely 9" open-handled dovetail saw with 20PPI. Still sharp enough to use. It is not dead straight, but close enough. I think that it would be dead straight if it was retensioned. I was just taught how to do this by a master from Williamsburgh. You hold the end of the blade in a vice and tap the back to pull the blade tight. The back is crisp with a nice patina, althought it was lightly cleaned. The blade has been cleaned. I am not familiar with this mark, but it would be a retailer, as this is a London address that would not be a saw making location. Highly recommended. G++ $145


Keen Kutter Keen Kutter

SA130865 Keen Kutter A number 816 28" 5 1/2PPI rip saw. The etching has the Keen Kutter logo surrounded by furled banners. It looks like a Disston No. 16 to me, and most likely is. Nice as found condition with a nice medium patina. The etching is clear. The wheat carved applewood handle has an old chip to the lower edge of the upper spur, but this does not affect the overall profile of hte handle, which is a very nice handle. A very fine quality saw that is almost certainly a Disston 16. G+ $149


Keen Kutter No K500

SA130830 Keen Kutter No K500 A 26" 9PPI CC saw. I just love the etchings. Not only does it have the KK standard "The recollection of quality remains..." it also has "I recommend and fully warrant this saw to all mechanic as it is the best that money and human enginuity can produce" The etching side of the saw looks as it it was blued, but I think that it is just how it patinated. The handle also has a lovely dark patina, and no damage. The handle is not wheat carved, but is very sculptural. The blade has a bend at the very end, about 1/4" from the end, as if it was dropped on the end. That won't matter for use, but it should be easy to get rid of it you want. This will make a great user or a collector's grade saw. G++ $185


W. Tyzach, Sons & Turner Ltd

SA130696 W. Tyzach, Sons & Turner Ltd A 12" brass-backed, 14 PPI CC saw, with a deep 3 3/8" depth of cut. Post-war production, perhaps 50s or 60s. The blade rates a solid fine, but the handle has some finish wear and rates G++ Sold





Henry Disston & Sons

SA1306101 Henry Disston & Sons This is a scarce Disston Acme 120 saw, 26" size. Somebody has recut the teeth and set them for 9ppi, CC. The blade has a dark smooth patina, but all of the etching is still totally legible. The handle has been "cleaned" with steel wool. There is a hang hole in the handle. And as if that was not enough, there is a slight bend to the blade, but it will still be fine to use. If you have always wanted a genuine Acme 120 and could not afford one, here is your chance. Good $165


The Buckeye S.V. Co.

SA13069 The Buckeye S.V. Co. A folding cast iron saw vice that is screwed to the side of a bench. It requires only one screw to hold it on. It is marked, "Pat. Nov 11, 02" This is a nice quality tool that should work as well as a conventional saw vice, it is just not as convenient if you need to take it on and off each time that you use it. It will of course take up much less room when you are not using it. G+ $48



Henry Disston & Sons

SA130557 Henry Disston & Sons A little used Disston Number 16 panel saw, 24" and 9 PPI. The blade has mostly a medium patina, but near the handle has more of a light patina. It is untouched, in just the kind of as found condition that I like. The handle has no damage, and a lovely color. I think that the handle is cherry rather than applewood. The etching is 100% legible, but you do need to hold it at the correct angle to read it. Nearly sharp, needs only a once over with a file. A partiiclarly nice example of a high-end Disston saw. G++ $235


Henry Disston & Sons

SA130376 Henry Disston & Sons A very scarce Disston D115 75th anniversary saw. This is the first Disston Diamond Jubilee saw that I have ever had. it is etched, 1840 to 1915 with a diamond radiating in the middle of the etching. Instead of calling it Diamond Jubiliee, the etching makes a word play with that and calls it Disston Jubilee. The handle is wheat carved rosewood and damage free with about 90% original finish. The blade is smooth and straight with light patina and some scattered staining overall. The etching is perfectly legible. It isa 26" saw with 8ppi. It is sharp and ready to use, with a bit of wax on the blade. From the collection of the late Bill Phillips, who had an amazing saw collection. A connoisseur's saw. G++ $345


C.R.R. of N.J.

SA130378 C.R.R. of N.J. This saw is clearly etched, C.R.R. of N.J., but nothing else. This stands for Cenral Rail Road of New Jersey, who would have special ordered it this way.. It is my belief that it is a Disston number 8 saw. The handle is crsip and in exceptional condition with only a few light storage scratches. The blade is clean with just minor dots of surface rust which should be carefully scraped off. I don't see too many saws in this condition. It is a 26" saw with 7PPI CC. This saw has seen very little use. It is from the personal collection of the late Tom Law, legendary saw specialist. I just say though that Tom has not sharpened this saw and it needs a light sharpening if you want to use it. Fine- $195


Jeweler

SA12059 Jeweler's Saw This is a frame saw for a very fine blade, like jeweler's use, but this one is probably too large to really be a jeweler's saw. It takes a 9 1/2" blade. It holds the blades with pins, like a woodworking frame saw. One pin is missing, but these are just cut off nails. The handle is rosewood with an elegantly turned steel fitting at the end of the ferule. Lovely untouched condition. A real quality tool. It has no blade with it. Fine $45


Wheeler, Madden, & Clemson

SA120352 Wheeler, Madden, & Clemson This is a rare 12" brass-backed saw. I don't recall ever seeing another brass-backed saw by this maker. The etching is perfect and the blade is clean. The handle has a crack on the left side on the cheeck, and the lower spur is complete, but needs to be clamped where it was dropped and the wood is separated. The blade almost perfectly straight, but it looks like somebody was working on it to straighten it. The blade has been lightly polished. I am selling this saw more as a rare example than as a user. G+ $119


Herny Disston and Son

SA120236 Herny Disston and Son A 28", 5TPI number 8 rip saw. The etching is perfectly clear on this saw, as well as the addittional etching of, "Made For Geo. M. Steinman & Co. Lancaster, PA." This blade as a medium patina but it still has its original polished finish. The applewood handle also has a lovely patina. There is a bit of red paint on the handle, which meant something to someone. The hande has just a small chip in the lower spur. The teeth are no particularly evenly filed. The Henry Disston & Son mark allows us to date this saw pretty narrowly to around 1868, give or take a few years. It is rare to see a clean, straight, Disston & Son rip or panel saw. The big saws tended to get neglected. This one could be waxed and put to use today. The teeth are sharp enough to use, but I would touch them up. G+ $245




Antique Saw

SA110129 W. Marples & Sons, Sheffield A small 9 1/2" blade bow saw with London pattern boxwood handles and an iron tightening bar. Probably from the 1920s or 30s. A nice untouched saw in a scarce smaller size. G++ $109



Antique Saw

SA101122 James Turner, Phila A brass backed carcass saw with a classic tapering blade. The bold applewood handle has lovely patina and no repairs. Engraved on the opposite side of the back from the maker's mark is "Wm M. Lee, 1871". It is also marked Made for Bowlby & Brenner. The blade has a med. patina with light surface rust overall. The teeth are very fine and very unevenly filed. There are some chipped teeth as well. Unlike most saws that we sell, this saw is not perfectly straight and we are not selling it as a user. This is a rare saw and there is no good reason to use it anyway. The brass has been hand polished. G+ $345





Antique Saw

SA100315 W. Cresson, Philada, Sping Steel A W. Cresson keyhole saw. Cresson saws are quite scarce, in fact I will go on a limb and say rare. This saw has it its original ornate handle, with great patina, and just one chip that is not obtrusive to my eye. The blade is nearly perfectly straight, and is still sharp. This was a well cared for saw that now has a nice patined look. This is a serious collector's grade tool. G+ $165



Antique Saw

SA100110 I. Colbeck A 14" backsaw. Erwin Schaffer's book list Colbeck as American, with no known information. Phil Baker concurs that he thinks Colbeck is American. I would have guessed that this was a very early English saw, although I did find it in the US. It certainly looks quite early. This one has a dark patina on the blade, which has a gentle wave to it. The handle hardware is all replaced at some later date. The handle has a great look, although the upper spur is shortened. I am selling this saw strictly as a collector, not a user. It is a rare early saw worthy of some respect despite its shortcomings. G- $85



Antique Saw

SA9091 W. Taylor An 11" carcass saw by a rare Philadelphia maker with the double eagle mark on a brass back. This is the first saw that I have had by this rare early American saw maker. The handle is applewood and has a very pronounced hook forward. The blade is dark with some pitting. The brass back has been wire brushed some time ago. One screw is missing and the handle spurs are chipped top and bottom. It never had a medallion, which is consistent with its age. This is a rare saw in need of restoration. Fair $165
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Antique Saw

SA90930 Geo. H. Bishop An important and rare brass-backed miniature dovetail saw. The blade is 8 inches, but it this is not a normal 8 inch saw. The tote is tiny. It is sharp and appears unused. I have owned it for 20 years and I have never seen another like it. I remember the day that I bought it a prominent dealer of that time offered me $1K for it, but even then when that was quite a lot of money, I could not bring my self ot part with it. Now I want somebody else to enjoy it. Fine $1195



Antique Saw

SA70354 Saw Set I love personalized antiques, be it ceramics, tools, or anything else that is named and dated. This tool is beatifully engraved, "Fred Harris, September, 1921". It is an English style saw set with a built in adjustable stop. It is more for panel and rip saws, not for fine toothed back saws. Great as found patina. This is a special tool. G+ $49

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